Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers. Newest copy protected CDs: no MP3s, no Macs, some PCs, some CD/DVD players, some car stereos

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3) A just another heads up, read this stuff that I found at ‘Clicked’ this morning: here and here. The music war has moved beyond Napster and into your living room …

Thanks to Signals Vs. Noise, I’ve just discovered OS X’s DigitalColor Meter. No more taking screenshots and opening them in Photoshop just to find a hex value! Woohoo!!! Add Comments Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers : Think about it… I can download the entire album for free (illegally, but free none the less), rootkit free, while I eat breakfast, and have it readily available to every audio device I own. Or… I can go to the store, deal with some floor salesman

Unlike most of you cool indie bloggers out there, I will actually admit to liking Coldplay. Probably not enough to shell out for an actual CD though, and now Sony has just guarenteed I won’t. Fast and loud has a list of other CDs with non-optional extras you might not want around. If I were Swedish (if only), I would join the Pirate party. Arrr!

I am a consumer of music. Always have been. But record labels do not want my money anymore. > read more | digg story

How not to order. Trailer for Adam Sandler and Kate Beckinsale film called Click. More importantly Christopher Walken and David Hasselhoff are in it. Hopefully not in Speedo’s. Looks pretty funny. Here’s an unconfirmed list of over 250 titles that are “infected” with DRM and Copy Protection software. I have a few of the titles and they do not have any DRM on them. Perhaps they’re on later presses of the CD’s. The Bree really wants to get on his soap box, but he will refrain.

A random article about the evils of copy protection. It won’t be long before CDs won’t be able to be played in any CD players, because you might let someone listen who didn’t pay for it. http://www.fastandloud.com/music/record-labels-continue-to-sucker-punch-music-consumers-newest-copy-protected-cds-no-mp3s-no-macs-some-pcs-some-cddvd-players-some-car-stereos

[IMG ] More proof that the record labels don’t have a clue. CJ “I am a consumer of music. Always have been. But record labels do not want my money anymore.” read more | digg story

label treats them like customers, not crooks? It’s amazing how the labels always seem to come up with new ways of screwing artists: if they’re not cheating them out of royalties, they’re systematically alienating their fan-base. Bad Coldplay & More Here

benevolent of industries. It’s time for them to have some luck, so I’ve developed a totally new source of revenue for them. Recent research into brain imaging has revealed all sorts of scientifically important things:

it hard for me to enjoy the music. And even harder for me to buy it.” The music I have on my laptop is all legal, but I still think the message is valid: the music industry of today is headed to its grave unless they figure out how to change. Click here to visit the clipped page.

Will They Ever Learn?

I am a consumer of music. Always have been. But record labels do not want my money anymore. > read more | digg story

prohibiting copying music onto a PC (or iPod). Has the music industry gone mad? Don’t they realize that what they are doing makes it impossible for paying customers to use their product? Fear not, as the big music labels continue to destroy themselves, new Internet based

When will they stop sucking… STORY

Another Reason to Screw the Record Industry

I am a consumer of music. Always have been. But record labels do not want my money anymore. > read more | digg story

Sweden, is working on a concept they call Push Music, which is software that enables peer-to-peer connections between music players, enabling people to “browse” the music collections of others and take a copy of whate wastedzombie Thu, Jan 5 – 11:09pm Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers. I am a consumer of music. Always have been. But record labels do not want my money anymore. wastedzombie Mon, Jan 2 – 9:17am How the RIAA gets its Victims A detailed explanation on how exactly one gets sued by the RIAA. Lawyer Ray Beckerman, who’s been

Private Beta is launched! You can read my column at philrenaud.newsvine.com/. Buzzword Hell is lookin’ sooooo fine. So, you say you love me? how much would you say you loved me? Enough to, say, win me a bloggy? Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers” . What’s Your Dangerous Idea?. Hooo, boy. I can see myself spending a lot of time here.

3) A just another heads up, read this stuff that I found at ’Clicked’ this morning:hereand here. The music war has moved beyond Napster and into your living room …

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I know for a fact that the copy protected version of A Perfect Circle – Thirteenth Step is hardly copy protected. I was able to rip it onto my PC and make a “listen copy” of it onto CD-R. It is hardly copy protection.

that’s messed up …. i didnt read that whole list **mainly because i’m headed for bed** but alot of the artists i havent heard of, and will now be steering clear of. … what has the industry come to these days??

Well said. I could not have said it better myself… I mean really… Stop making it difficult for us to do the right thing.

I think you are completely right on this, I think all those guys are just afraid not to be able to make so much money as they’re used to.

However, I think they’re just plain stupid making it so hard on people… And thinking it is their right to mess up people’s computers (but sueing you if you should share a song).

Their time is gone, byebye, passe. But they seem to be fighting back a little, but it will stop, I’m sure… they’re the losers!

http://www.snowball.be

I love this quote from the first paragraph:

“In order for you to enjoy high quality music, we have added this special technology” …

Enjoy?

Surely the result would be the exact opposite.

I hate record companies. But everytime some record company tries to put some sort of protection on the disks, it always fails in some way. I love it. It makes me smile to be on the underdogs’ team, fighting the big coporation. If Sony comes up with a more ‘secure’ way to protect it’s music through limiting CDs… there will always be a way around it. Someone will always hack the encryption or whatever they put on it. Sony still wants the music to be played on something, so therefore, it can be played on everything. Someone just needs to find out how. And with so many people up in arms about this sort of thing, I’m sure as soon as technology that hasn’t been cracked yet comes out in Copy controlled CDs, it will be cracked and hacked, and sent out to the masses within a day.

Sony and other record companies lost this battle before they started it. You are right, they are making it harder to listen to the music, and probably losing 50% of their customers because of what they are doing to them. I don’t like living in a world where someone has to be an expert on copyright law to listen to some fucking music.But if you do buy one of these CDs, there are a lot of programs that can take care of them, CDex being the one I use.

The real goals of these companies, I think is to stop P2P, which is just a silly, silly thing. There is no way anyone can stop P2P, no matter how much they want to. P2P has become such a powerful tool, and there are more P2P servers than you can count. I’m not talking Kazaa, but SoulSeek, all the DC Hubs, there is no end to P2P, and if there was a way, and I know there isn’t, to shut down P2P altogether, new ones would spring up, just like when supernova was shut down and 20 mirrors of supernova went up within the hour.

Great post and I’m beyond finished with the music industry myself.

Funnily, the most protected music is also the most uninteresting music.

Atomic Kitten? Coldplay? If you listen to this marketing music, you deserve to get a rootkit installed.

You can take it back, unless it was specifically stated or told to you at the counter this is NOT a CD (compact disc) by phillips industry standard and therefore under trading standards you have bought something under false premise

I know for a fact that the copy protected version of A Perfect Circle – Thirteenth Step is hardly copy protected. I was able to rip it onto my PC and make a “listen copy” of it onto CD-R. It is hardly copy protection.

It’s become so obvious the the recording industry DOES NOT WANT US TO BUY MUSIC! Why else would they make it so such a horrid experience? If they don’t want us to buy it, there seems to be only one alternative if we want to listen.

that’s messed up …. i didnt read that whole list **mainly because i’m headed for bed** but alot of the artists i havent heard of, and will now be steering clear of. … what has the industry come to these days??

Oskar says;
“Atomic Kitten? Coldplay? If you listen to this marketing music, you deserve to get a rootkit installed.”

Oskar that is cold.. true and funny, but cold… LOL

Well said. I could not have said it better myself… I mean really… Stop making it difficult for us to do the right thing.

I think you are completely right on this, I think all those guys are just afraid not to be able to make so much money as they’re used to.

However, I think they’re just plain stupid making it so hard on people… And thinking it is their right to mess up people’s computers (but sueing you if you should share a song).

Their time is gone, byebye, passe. But they seem to be fighting back a little, but it will stop, I’m sure… they’re the losers!

http://www.snowball.be

Great article Please keep the list of CD’s updated every one should see this.
I am also a long time musicolic and I agree that the music bussiness is changing I stubled acroos an article in Steriophile about http://www.Magnatune.com I think it’s a good model all thy need is a couple big name artists to sign with them.

I love this quote from the first paragraph:

“In order for you to enjoy high quality music, we have added this special technology” …

Enjoy?

Surely the result would be the exact opposite.

Stop illegally infringing and support musicians copyrights as protected by U.S. Constitution, or go join the Taliban who want to overthrow the constiitution and eradicate music.

To be honest, I feel that to be honest I don’t blame the record companies for the amount of copy protection on CDs (though the implementation is terrible). The blame rests entirely on the arrogant bastards who have downloaded more music than bought it and/or have no itention of buying it whatsoever. And before you call me some sort of media whore, yes I do have pirated stuff on my hard drive but I intend to buy the albums which I enjoy, and delete the one that are crap.

It’s all well and good saying ‘Oh, record companies are money grabbing and selfish, so I won’t buy albums by these artists, ever!’ but you have to understand that in the majority of cases the artists have no say in the matter, and that it’s better to actually still have a record deal than go independant. I know several artists and bands who don’t have the same sympathy with filesharers as Franz Ferdinand do. One band in question was Ooberman. They had a huge student fanbase and everyone knew their songs, yet wasn’t selling enough albums and ended up getting dropped from their label. Turns out during an student radio interview that the majority of the people at the uni had copies from their mates. All because people who loved the music ‘couldn’t afford’ to buy it. They tried going the independent route, but ended up giving up. Please, please, please support the artists you love. Even if you don’t want to buy a crippled CD, at least give the money you would spend to the artist. You know it makes sense.

I hate record companies. But everytime some record company tries to put some sort of protection on the disks, it always fails in some way. I love it. It makes me smile to be on the underdogs’ team, fighting the big coporation. If Sony comes up with a more ‘secure’ way to protect it’s music through limiting CDs… there will always be a way around it. Someone will always hack the encryption or whatever they put on it. Sony still wants the music to be played on something, so therefore, it can be played on everything. Someone just needs to find out how. And with so many people up in arms about this sort of thing, I’m sure as soon as technology that hasn’t been cracked yet comes out in Copy controlled CDs, it will be cracked and hacked, and sent out to the masses within a day.

Sony and other record companies lost this battle before they started it. You are right, they are making it harder to listen to the music, and probably losing 50% of their customers because of what they are doing to them. I don’t like living in a world where someone has to be an expert on copyright law to listen to some fucking music.But if you do buy one of these CDs, there are a lot of programs that can take care of them, CDex being the one I use.

The real goals of these companies, I think is to stop P2P, which is just a silly, silly thing. There is no way anyone can stop P2P, no matter how much they want to. P2P has become such a powerful tool, and there are more P2P servers than you can count. I’m not talking Kazaa, but SoulSeek, all the DC Hubs, there is no end to P2P, and if there was a way, and I know there isn’t, to shut down P2P altogether, new ones would spring up, just like when supernova was shut down and 20 mirrors of supernova went up within the hour.

[...] I am also beginning to draw the conclusion that the RIAA does not want my money anymore. Especially as I own a Mac… CD copy protection [...]

The current business model serves the record LABELS, they pocket 90% of the PROFITS for doing 30% of the WORK. This is a revolution they are trying to stop via “copy protection”. Let our closed wallets do the talking…

The real loss by the music industry is that had they invested into the whole idea of getting the music to the masses over the internet there probably wouldn’t be much of a bitter fight going on between consumer and corporation. If music stores had stock that extended beyond the billboard 100 I bet people would have visited them more often. Who wants to have to order a cd when they can get it within a few minutes downloading it?

Copy protection = please crack me.

thanks for the update on the Afrocelts CD: Seed. I have been buying all their albums through the years and quite a few of them as gifts for this holiday season. Thank goodness I didn’t happen to buy Seed for gifts this year. I’ll definately steer clear of it now!

Great post and I’m beyond finished with the music industry myself.

Funnily, the most protected music is also the most uninteresting music.

Atomic Kitten? Coldplay? If you listen to this marketing music, you deserve to get a rootkit installed.

FANTASTIC article, I agree with every bit of it, except that the list of copy-protected CDs is a bit bogus… many of the titles I own (such as Blur’s “Think Tank” and Gahan’s “Paper Monsters”) and have never had a problem copying or ripping MP3s off of them. I’ve also used enhanced content that autoruns upon CD insert… no installation necessary, no malware installed.

Perhaps the confusion comes from those bogus “This CD is Copy-Protected” stickers I’ve seen on a lot of albums lately? For example, Kasabian’s self-titled debut bares this warning, but has no copy-protection; you can rip and copy as much as you darn well please. It’s just a scare tactic.

However, your points still stand regardless of the accuracy of the list; why should we have to decipher whether or not copy-protection warnings are lying or not?

I honestly think the RIAA has been blinded by greed and lost sight. So here is an idea and feel free to shoot holes in it before I setup and do this and ask for many others to join in.

The idea is plain and simple I own lot’s of music and it is paid for. However, I consider most everyone I meet off-line and on-line my friends. As far as I know I can play my music for my friends. Or is there a law against playing my paid for music in front of anyone else now too?

So now it is time for me to place all my music on-line so that my friends can listen to it with me! Yes you have to download it to play and hear this with me and you just delete it after that. So now whenever you want to share moments of music with me again you return to do so.

Visonary, your comment isn’t worthy of comment. Still, to do more justice to you than you did to the original author’s thoughts, a couple of corrections: yes, copyright is enshrined in the U.S. constitution, but copyright *law* is written by Congressional hacks whose allegience is to the people who write the big checks for their campaigns. Musicians are not served by the copyright laws that exist today; neither are writers, artists, or any creative person. Under current copyright law, the “author” of a work often isn’t the person who actually authored it. This is called “work for hire,” and it eviserates the very purpose of the original constitutional provision protecting copyright. ie: to protect the creator, for a reasonable period of time. The original copyright timespan during the time of the Founders was about fourteen years, and copyright belonged to the author, and by author, they meant the creator/writer/artist, not the individual or company who published him/her. What we have today is a perversion of the original intention of the men who wrote our constitution, and anyone who defends it as “just” is either ill-informed or a moron. I support the rights of musicians, artists, and writers, to be compensated fairly for their work. The current system doesn’t do that, so I don’t support it, and neither should you. Who knows what will replace it, but whatever does, it can’t be any worse for the working creator than what she has to deal with now.

Ummm….I don’t even have a CD player anymore. My iBook has been my stereo for years now. I rip everything I buy onto it (and I do BUY my CDs) and then listen. No copying, no filesharing. What are they trying to do here? Are we supposed to go out and buy outdated CD players in order to listen to music?

The RIAA should face the fact that computers are changing everything. There are better ways to stop infrigement. Incentive has always worked better than punishment.

You can take it back, unless it was specifically stated or told to you at the counter this is NOT a CD (compact disc) by phillips industry standard and therefore under trading standards you have bought something under false premise

It’s become so obvious the the recording industry DOES NOT WANT US TO BUY MUSIC! Why else would they make it so such a horrid experience? If they don’t want us to buy it, there seems to be only one alternative if we want to listen.

Oskar says;
“Atomic Kitten? Coldplay? If you listen to this marketing music, you deserve to get a rootkit installed.”

Oskar that is cold.. true and funny, but cold… LOL

Are you by any chance in a country that is not America? This has been dugg and it would be nice to specify to people that a large number of these titles are copy protected overseas, but not in the US, so they don’t go on a self-righteous freakout and buy even less music.

Visionary – The constitution also protects citizens from racketeering mongers. Hell, even the DMCA has provisions that are supposed to protect the consumer’s rights. How you make the jump to Taliban ideals escapes me.

Great article Please keep the list of CD’s updated every one should see this.
I am also a long time musicolic and I agree that the music bussiness is changing I stubled acroos an article in Steriophile about http://www.Magnatune.com I think it’s a good model all thy need is a couple big name artists to sign with them.

Stop illegally infringing and support musicians copyrights as protected by U.S. Constitution, or go join the Taliban who want to overthrow the constiitution and eradicate music.

To be honest, I feel that to be honest I don’t blame the record companies for the amount of copy protection on CDs (though the implementation is terrible). The blame rests entirely on the arrogant bastards who have downloaded more music than bought it and/or have no itention of buying it whatsoever. And before you call me some sort of media whore, yes I do have pirated stuff on my hard drive but I intend to buy the albums which I enjoy, and delete the one that are crap.

It’s all well and good saying ‘Oh, record companies are money grabbing and selfish, so I won’t buy albums by these artists, ever!’ but you have to understand that in the majority of cases the artists have no say in the matter, and that it’s better to actually still have a record deal than go independant. I know several artists and bands who don’t have the same sympathy with filesharers as Franz Ferdinand do. One band in question was Ooberman. They had a huge student fanbase and everyone knew their songs, yet wasn’t selling enough albums and ended up getting dropped from their label. Turns out during an student radio interview that the majority of the people at the uni had copies from their mates. All because people who loved the music ‘couldn’t afford’ to buy it. They tried going the independent route, but ended up giving up. Please, please, please support the artists you love. Even if you don’t want to buy a crippled CD, at least give the money you would spend to the artist. You know it makes sense.

The current business model serves the record LABELS, they pocket 90% of the PROFITS for doing 30% of the WORK. This is a revolution they are trying to stop via “copy protection”. Let our closed wallets do the talking…

The real loss by the music industry is that had they invested into the whole idea of getting the music to the masses over the internet there probably wouldn’t be much of a bitter fight going on between consumer and corporation. If music stores had stock that extended beyond the billboard 100 I bet people would have visited them more often. Who wants to have to order a cd when they can get it within a few minutes downloading it?

Copy protection = please crack me.

thanks for the update on the Afrocelts CD: Seed. I have been buying all their albums through the years and quite a few of them as gifts for this holiday season. Thank goodness I didn’t happen to buy Seed for gifts this year. I’ll definately steer clear of it now!

FANTASTIC article, I agree with every bit of it, except that the list of copy-protected CDs is a bit bogus… many of the titles I own (such as Blur’s “Think Tank” and Gahan’s “Paper Monsters”) and have never had a problem copying or ripping MP3s off of them. I’ve also used enhanced content that autoruns upon CD insert… no installation necessary, no malware installed.

Perhaps the confusion comes from those bogus “This CD is Copy-Protected” stickers I’ve seen on a lot of albums lately? For example, Kasabian’s self-titled debut bares this warning, but has no copy-protection; you can rip and copy as much as you darn well please. It’s just a scare tactic.

However, your points still stand regardless of the accuracy of the list; why should we have to decipher whether or not copy-protection warnings are lying or not?

I honestly think the RIAA has been blinded by greed and lost sight. So here is an idea and feel free to shoot holes in it before I setup and do this and ask for many others to join in.

The idea is plain and simple I own lot’s of music and it is paid for. However, I consider most everyone I meet off-line and on-line my friends. As far as I know I can play my music for my friends. Or is there a law against playing my paid for music in front of anyone else now too?

So now it is time for me to place all my music on-line so that my friends can listen to it with me! Yes you have to download it to play and hear this with me and you just delete it after that. So now whenever you want to share moments of music with me again you return to do so.

Visonary, your comment isn’t worthy of comment. Still, to do more justice to you than you did to the original author’s thoughts, a couple of corrections: yes, copyright is enshrined in the U.S. constitution, but copyright *law* is written by Congressional hacks whose allegience is to the people who write the big checks for their campaigns. Musicians are not served by the copyright laws that exist today; neither are writers, artists, or any creative person. Under current copyright law, the “author” of a work often isn’t the person who actually authored it. This is called “work for hire,” and it eviserates the very purpose of the original constitutional provision protecting copyright. ie: to protect the creator, for a reasonable period of time. The original copyright timespan during the time of the Founders was about fourteen years, and copyright belonged to the author, and by author, they meant the creator/writer/artist, not the individual or company who published him/her. What we have today is a perversion of the original intention of the men who wrote our constitution, and anyone who defends it as “just” is either ill-informed or a moron. I support the rights of musicians, artists, and writers, to be compensated fairly for their work. The current system doesn’t do that, so I don’t support it, and neither should you. Who knows what will replace it, but whatever does, it can’t be any worse for the working creator than what she has to deal with now.

Ummm….I don’t even have a CD player anymore. My iBook has been my stereo for years now. I rip everything I buy onto it (and I do BUY my CDs) and then listen. No copying, no filesharing. What are they trying to do here? Are we supposed to go out and buy outdated CD players in order to listen to music?

The RIAA should face the fact that computers are changing everything. There are better ways to stop infrigement. Incentive has always worked better than punishment.

Are you by any chance in a country that is not America? This has been dugg and it would be nice to specify to people that a large number of these titles are copy protected overseas, but not in the US, so they don’t go on a self-righteous freakout and buy even less music.

Visionary – The constitution also protects citizens from racketeering mongers. Hell, even the DMCA has provisions that are supposed to protect the consumer’s rights. How you make the jump to Taliban ideals escapes me.

I don’t even own a CD player anymore that doesn’t play CD/RW & mp3… even my car deck plays mp3′s… I haven’t owned a plain old CD player in almost 5 years I think… Looks like I have no choice but to pirate… or buy it, and then pirate it to listen to it…

Rich J
DRM is not about stopping pirating, it is about extracting the maximum about of your dollars. Now you instead of buying one CD and being able to transfer it to all of your own devices, you will now will have to buy a CD for your stereo, from an online music site to feed your portable device and another format for some other device. They have now gotten you to pay 3 times instead of just once. Its all about greed, not piracy.

Rich J Says: The blame rests entirely on the arrogant bastards who have downloaded more music than bought it and/or have no itention of buying it whatsoever.

If those “arrogant bastards” never had any intention of buying anything, what exactly is the RIAA losing?

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Let’s take it to the nest level. I bought a Dell laptop that was advertised as having a dual layer DVD+-R/RW. After I recieved it I find out that they “Upgraded” it and it is +R only. Can’t Burn DVD’s with that now can you. Guess what Sony Drive. By the way I own three, yes I was stupid enough to buy three, Playstaion 2 consoles that don’t work . Why you might ask. Ohh yeah the drives quit reading DVD or Playstation2 games and sony wouldn’t fix them. I guess my point here is don’t ever buy SONY crap. First they lock you in to using only thier products that don’t even work and Second they don’t stand behind thier products. As a Computer Consultant I will never recommend Sony Products again. Over the last year alone I have cost them over $100,000 of lost sales and this year looks to be much more lucrative with much larger companies.

Awesome post, all I have to say on the matter is that bands that deserve the money will get it. Screw the record label, I think the last CD I purchased in a store was about 5 years ago. This isn’t because I don’t have a love for music, this is because I don’t care to get a pretty label and a book telling me the band wants to thank god, and his dog. Buying a $20 CD supports a man in a tie, not the artist that is up there sweating his face off and dealing with all sorts of other crap. I’d say i attend about 4 to 5 shows a week, durring this i will buy CDs (if they are from a local band and most likely pressed themselfs) I will buy shirts, buttons, stickers, whatever i can to support the band. Merch, ticket sales, contracts, and people letting artists sleep on their floor for a night instead of paying rent is how an artist makes money.

I don’t even own a CD player anymore that doesn’t play CD/RW & mp3… even my car deck plays mp3′s… I haven’t owned a plain old CD player in almost 5 years I think… Looks like I have no choice but to pirate… or buy it, and then pirate it to listen to it…

Folks, if you hate the DRM that much, then, as others have said, don’t buy the product.

Now, let’s examine what happens over time as you continue not to buy and instead steal it.

1. Prices drop. You still hate DRM and still don’t buy.
2. Music industry can no longer make profit. Labels file Ch. 11.
3. Professional music no longer exists. Instead, it’s shitty home demos.
4. There is no longer anything worth stealing.
5. P2P thieves everywhere slap their foreheads, say “D’oh!”, and try to learn how to play instruments and compose music, since the pros are no longer prepared to work for free.

Has this really not occurred to you yet?

Rich J
DRM is not about stopping pirating, it is about extracting the maximum about of your dollars. Now you instead of buying one CD and being able to transfer it to all of your own devices, you will now will have to buy a CD for your stereo, from an online music site to feed your portable device and another format for some other device. They have now gotten you to pay 3 times instead of just once. Its all about greed, not piracy.

Rich J Says: The blame rests entirely on the arrogant bastards who have downloaded more music than bought it and/or have no itention of buying it whatsoever.

If those “arrogant bastards” never had any intention of buying anything, what exactly is the RIAA losing?

Let’s take it to the nest level. I bought a Dell laptop that was advertised as having a dual layer DVD+-R/RW. After I recieved it I find out that they “Upgraded” it and it is +R only. Can’t Burn DVD’s with that now can you. Guess what Sony Drive. By the way I own three, yes I was stupid enough to buy three, Playstaion 2 consoles that don’t work . Why you might ask. Ohh yeah the drives quit reading DVD or Playstation2 games and sony wouldn’t fix them. I guess my point here is don’t ever buy SONY crap. First they lock you in to using only thier products that don’t even work and Second they don’t stand behind thier products. As a Computer Consultant I will never recommend Sony Products again. Over the last year alone I have cost them over $100,000 of lost sales and this year looks to be much more lucrative with much larger companies.

Awesome post, all I have to say on the matter is that bands that deserve the money will get it. Screw the record label, I think the last CD I purchased in a store was about 5 years ago. This isn’t because I don’t have a love for music, this is because I don’t care to get a pretty label and a book telling me the band wants to thank god, and his dog. Buying a $20 CD supports a man in a tie, not the artist that is up there sweating his face off and dealing with all sorts of other crap. I’d say i attend about 4 to 5 shows a week, durring this i will buy CDs (if they are from a local band and most likely pressed themselfs) I will buy shirts, buttons, stickers, whatever i can to support the band. Merch, ticket sales, contracts, and people letting artists sleep on their floor for a night instead of paying rent is how an artist makes money.

Folks, if you hate the DRM that much, then, as others have said, don’t buy the product.

Now, let’s examine what happens over time as you continue not to buy and instead steal it.

1. Prices drop. You still hate DRM and still don’t buy.
2. Music industry can no longer make profit. Labels file Ch. 11.
3. Professional music no longer exists. Instead, it’s shitty home demos.
4. There is no longer anything worth stealing.
5. P2P thieves everywhere slap their foreheads, say “D’oh!”, and try to learn how to play instruments and compose music, since the pros are no longer prepared to work for free.

Has this really not occurred to you yet?

I find it humourous that the record labels ‘protection’ doesn’t seem to work on a mac/linux. I feel so naked now that I can only listen to the unprotected tracks. What a loss. The fact that I can easily rip and share the files I have completely negates any protection scheme they try and use. As there will always be mac/linux users that can rip and share the files. Until they force everyone to switch formats this will continue. Furthermore, its always nice to see an industry create a mutant renegade disc that doesn’t conform to any of their own defined standards. I don’t think either the red or orangebook standards specify the type of crap that record labels are trying.

This whole DRM thing is just a knee jerk reaction to a changing user base. Sure some people don’t buy music anymore, but I doubt they bought much before. There is also the additional cash drainage from video games, DVD sales, Mobile technology, and other time wasting activities. The user’s money hasn’t gotten any larger and the places to blow that cash have diversified.

Wes:
How do you know that the recent “slowdown” in the music industry isn’t the result of people being fed up with this type of industrial behavior? I’ve been reading from people who quit buying music for at least five years now. What has the RIAA down? Have prices dropped? Industry not making a profit?

Instead, we have a bevy of shiny new laws, worthless DRM, and a bunch of us with hoarse voices from yelling at the RIAA members to get their online distribution in order before their are twenty “napsters.” Which they haven’t, itunes notwithstanding.

New laws? Pretty much worthless.
Results from the lawsuits? See peergaurdian
DRM? Jesus, I would go to jail if I put a rootkit on your PC, guess what happens to corporations?

Music existed for CENTURIES before the music “industry,” The loss of “professional” music is something I encourage, maybe then we’ll finally get some GOOD music, as opposed to just high production quality tunes.

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Are you saying that the crap that the record companies publish is professional?
Obviously you haven’t bought all that much big name music lately either. I could say
100% of the top billboard music now I would NEVER BUY. Its obvious the big record companies are not making asmuch money anymore because they sell CRAP.

I find it humourous that the record labels ‘protection’ doesn’t seem to work on a mac/linux. I feel so naked now that I can only listen to the unprotected tracks. What a loss. The fact that I can easily rip and share the files I have completely negates any protection scheme they try and use. As there will always be mac/linux users that can rip and share the files. Until they force everyone to switch formats this will continue. Furthermore, its always nice to see an industry create a mutant renegade disc that doesn’t conform to any of their own defined standards. I don’t think either the red or orangebook standards specify the type of crap that record labels are trying.

This whole DRM thing is just a knee jerk reaction to a changing user base. Sure some people don’t buy music anymore, but I doubt they bought much before. There is also the additional cash drainage from video games, DVD sales, Mobile technology, and other time wasting activities. The user’s money hasn’t gotten any larger and the places to blow that cash have diversified.

Wes:
How do you know that the recent “slowdown” in the music industry isn’t the result of people being fed up with this type of industrial behavior? I’ve been reading from people who quit buying music for at least five years now. What has the RIAA down? Have prices dropped? Industry not making a profit?

Instead, we have a bevy of shiny new laws, worthless DRM, and a bunch of us with hoarse voices from yelling at the RIAA members to get their online distribution in order before their are twenty “napsters.” Which they haven’t, itunes notwithstanding.

New laws? Pretty much worthless.
Results from the lawsuits? See peergaurdian
DRM? Jesus, I would go to jail if I put a rootkit on your PC, guess what happens to corporations?

Music existed for CENTURIES before the music “industry,” The loss of “professional” music is something I encourage, maybe then we’ll finally get some GOOD music, as opposed to just high production quality tunes.

Actually, record labels will probably start to give away their music in the hopes that it will bring more people to the shows, then take a bigger cut of the concert profits. New business models will evolve. It’s inevitable. Some countries are even legalizing P2P, or attempting to.

If the copy protection continues to be this badly implemented, record sales will plummet. I’m certainly not going to buy a CD that will not play in my pc, or my cd player, considering that it is also an mp3 player, or evern my playstation for that matter. Either way, copy protection or no, I predict cd sales will continue to fall, and sooner or later the record companies are going to have to find another way to make money.

I buy my cds, and will continue to do so until this becomes a problem for me. I hope it doesn’t. I hope none of my favorite bands ever sign with Sony.

Are you saying that the crap that the record companies publish is professional?
Obviously you haven’t bought all that much big name music lately either. I could say
100% of the top billboard music now I would NEVER BUY. Its obvious the big record companies are not making asmuch money anymore because they sell CRAP.

Actually, record labels will probably start to give away their music in the hopes that it will bring more people to the shows, then take a bigger cut of the concert profits. New business models will evolve. It’s inevitable. Some countries are even legalizing P2P, or attempting to.

If the copy protection continues to be this badly implemented, record sales will plummet. I’m certainly not going to buy a CD that will not play in my pc, or my cd player, considering that it is also an mp3 player, or evern my playstation for that matter. Either way, copy protection or no, I predict cd sales will continue to fall, and sooner or later the record companies are going to have to find another way to make money.

I buy my cds, and will continue to do so until this becomes a problem for me. I hope it doesn’t. I hope none of my favorite bands ever sign with Sony.

For years now, unless it’s something that I absolutely have to have right away, I buy CDs and DVDs used. So, how do I figure into their grand scheme of things? They make $0 profit from my purchases, yet I’m not breaking any law. I still do what I can to support the bands that I enjoy most by purchasing their merchandise (stickers, t-shirts, posters, etc.) or going to their concerts. What I will not do, however, is purchase a CD – new or used – that will not play on my equipment. That’s just stupid.

If they’d stop jacking up the prices on CDs people might also be more inclined to purchase them too. The cost of CDs in the US is already overflated by a hefty amount. I can buy the same albums where I live between for between 10-12 USD. (And get this, 12-15 USD for computer games). Another great example is Linkin Park. Their debut album was being sold for 9.99 USD at Virgin (in the US) right after it was released. Fast forward some months, Linkin Park is now pretty well known and the same CD was out for 16.99 USD at the very same store.

Now tack on these new copy protection programs, this latest being the worst of a several bad attempts, and a generally unfriendly attitude towards their customers and you have yourself the perfect conditions for a decline in sales. And yet the lost earnings are only marginal. If they’d just dump all their lawsuits and fire all the programmers they have working on these protections, I imagine that’d fill the gap nicely.

For years now, unless it’s something that I absolutely have to have right away, I buy CDs and DVDs used. So, how do I figure into their grand scheme of things? They make $0 profit from my purchases, yet I’m not breaking any law. I still do what I can to support the bands that I enjoy most by purchasing their merchandise (stickers, t-shirts, posters, etc.) or going to their concerts. What I will not do, however, is purchase a CD – new or used – that will not play on my equipment. That’s just stupid.

The only way to stop piracy is to stop making anything worth pirating and I think the record labels have almost reached that point. Atta boys!

If they’d stop jacking up the prices on CDs people might also be more inclined to purchase them too. The cost of CDs in the US is already overflated by a hefty amount. I can buy the same albums where I live between for between 10-12 USD. (And get this, 12-15 USD for computer games). Another great example is Linkin Park. Their debut album was being sold for 9.99 USD at Virgin (in the US) right after it was released. Fast forward some months, Linkin Park is now pretty well known and the same CD was out for 16.99 USD at the very same store.

Now tack on these new copy protection programs, this latest being the worst of a several bad attempts, and a generally unfriendly attitude towards their customers and you have yourself the perfect conditions for a decline in sales. And yet the lost earnings are only marginal. If they’d just dump all their lawsuits and fire all the programmers they have working on these protections, I imagine that’d fill the gap nicely.

as someone said, nearly all the profit from buying mp3s/CDs goes to the label not the artist. i couldnt give a toss about supporting the businessmen who clutter my life with adverts and sales tactics – the web sees to it that underground, unsigned bands still get a lot of support if they deserve it. the way i see it, all music should be free and we should only be charged to see bands live and for merchandise

LMAO Wes, you make me laugh, first of all that was an ill thought out chain of events that u listed there, secondly clever companies adapt, if they dont adapt then new companies who are clever will take their place and too right. Its their fault if theyre too stupid and arogant to listen to people who are actually buying their CD’s. What theyre doing now is testing us to see how mutch well take before we break, if they really did start getting scared then theyed sell their stuff at a reasonable price and at least offer the same benifits as the ones downloaded from the net. I see the chain of events looking something a lil more like this.
1. Prices drop, you still hate DRM so you dont buy their stuff
2. Current Music industry can no longer make profit, and good if theyre gonna punish us for buying their stuff
3. Bands get signed by labels who pay them fairly while still keeping in proffit by the simple fact that they could bring music costs down to a few pennys while still making a proffit by selling online.
4. Bands feel respected and are happy with their deal spurring on a new wave of quality music coming out rather than that s**t like Usher that gets forced down our throats. While everyone can share whatever the F**ck they want as long as they dont make a god damned proffit.
May seem a bit of a rose tinted view but its certainly a mutch more logical view than Wes’s who seems to forget about the fact that companies always adapt. God it makes me sick to see how some people can be so moronic that they cant for a second think outside the box and just do whatever the big companies tell them. Theyve obviously never grown up passed the time in their life when Mummy is perfect and Daddy is the strongest man in the world and they have ultimate power over you theyve just been replaced by these companies and the government and you just follow blindly. Ur holding the human race back and either grow up or never share your ignorant views with a human being again. Bit of a rant but think about it (yes i know it was a bit extreme but people like that are one of the biggest problems we have) Thankyou and Goodnight

Being somewhat an insider on the music industry, I have to implore everyone not to take thier frustration out on bands who don’t specifically say they support this. Alot of the bands on these major labels don’t have a choice in the matter. You could argue that they shouldn’t sign with a major label in the first place, but they want to make a living.

Wow… I haven’t bought a real CD in months.. I discovered the iTunes Music Store (and yes, I own an iPod.. but I can still play the files on everything else.. they just need a little, push in the right direction)

9.99 for the entire CD… not bad.. esp. when i can get the same CD that won’t play in all of my devices (my 15″ PowerBook, G5 tower, personal CD player i think still works, DVD player… even my Car CD player won’t play them..)

I guess they just don’t want our money anymore. I’ll go spend it on blank CD’s to burn my music on..

You do know that SONY are Refunding all cd’s right with this copy protection right?
Choose either:
1) Money back + one downloadable album
2) Three downloadable albums

get with the times………

The only way to stop piracy is to stop making anything worth pirating and I think the record labels have almost reached that point. Atta boys!

as someone said, nearly all the profit from buying mp3s/CDs goes to the label not the artist. i couldnt give a toss about supporting the businessmen who clutter my life with adverts and sales tactics – the web sees to it that underground, unsigned bands still get a lot of support if they deserve it. the way i see it, all music should be free and we should only be charged to see bands live and for merchandise

Okay, this is how I see it. If the music company’s sold thier songs for 25 cents a song…who wouldn’t buy?!
The problem I have is i am NOT going to spend a buck a song. PERIOD. Call me cheap call me whatever you like. Why the hell would I pay a buck a song for something I can download for free and take my chances on the quality of the rip.
If the moronic music companies would start up thier “napsters” for 25 cents a song for example. And the old napster had at least 1 million people on at any one time. Lets do the math for 15 min of a napster download shall we……250,000 thousand dollars every 15 min of the day. But they are too farking greedy for even that sum. they want more.
The music companies don’t farking get the whole picture. They can with a successful ONLINE business, cut so many costs, I could not mention them all..but let me try. First, production of cd’s. the cost of blank Cd’s. The labour that costs the record company for shipping Cd’s there and back to the cd manufacturing plants. The hydro on those plants. the tax’s from those plants. The ink for the Cd’s. etc etc etc. God…are they just farking stupid or what??!!
When they buy huge server farms they are thiers for life. So basically a setup that has very few workers *admins (see, cheaper than employing THOUSANDS to keep the cd industry going) to keep a “online” trading company going. I could go on and on how many MILLIONS/100′s of Millions of dollars they could save by going “online”.
But because they are greedy bastards, which don’t think P2P will/would ever catch on (hehe righhhht) . They are just so stubborn to adapt. *as well as they are stupid farks that don’t understand the savings, technology would save them.

Who wouldn’t pay 25 cents a song for a perfect MP3 rip which would be easy to access, easy to find (if any of you used napster in the old days you know how easy it was to find ANY brand of music) and which could be bought 24 hours a day 7 days a week including holidays!

I have a 128 meg mp3 player. Let’s say I’m going on a trip and im downloading 192kbs (cd quality 5 meg a song files) for the trip. For $5.50 I could populate my mp3 player quickly and be good to go at 25 cents a song, which is mine, could be swapped to other media and burned. Who wouldn’t pay that pitance for that service. yet being online would give the record companies more money than they are making now. And would basically cap pirating. Will never get rid of it, but if you make your service easier and better, people are Inherently lazy, so will migrate to which is easiest, but price is/will always a factor. So make it cheap that cost isn’t a factor, yet enough to make a profit by selling to the masses.

So in summary…fark em, until they get smarter.

LMAO Wes, you make me laugh, first of all that was an ill thought out chain of events that u listed there, secondly clever companies adapt, if they dont adapt then new companies who are clever will take their place and too right. Its their fault if theyre too stupid and arogant to listen to people who are actually buying their CD’s. What theyre doing now is testing us to see how mutch well take before we break, if they really did start getting scared then theyed sell their stuff at a reasonable price and at least offer the same benifits as the ones downloaded from the net. I see the chain of events looking something a lil more like this.
1. Prices drop, you still hate DRM so you dont buy their stuff
2. Current Music industry can no longer make profit, and good if theyre gonna punish us for buying their stuff
3. Bands get signed by labels who pay them fairly while still keeping in proffit by the simple fact that they could bring music costs down to a few pennys while still making a proffit by selling online.
4. Bands feel respected and are happy with their deal spurring on a new wave of quality music coming out rather than that s**t like Usher that gets forced down our throats. While everyone can share whatever the F**ck they want as long as they dont make a god damned proffit.
May seem a bit of a rose tinted view but its certainly a mutch more logical view than Wes’s who seems to forget about the fact that companies always adapt. God it makes me sick to see how some people can be so moronic that they cant for a second think outside the box and just do whatever the big companies tell them. Theyve obviously never grown up passed the time in their life when Mummy is perfect and Daddy is the strongest man in the world and they have ultimate power over you theyve just been replaced by these companies and the government and you just follow blindly. Ur holding the human race back and either grow up or never share your ignorant views with a human being again. Bit of a rant but think about it (yes i know it was a bit extreme but people like that are one of the biggest problems we have) Thankyou and Goodnight

Agreed, I’m through with the recording business and there degrading “anti-piracy” policies and measures.

To those of you who are concerned that file sharing will destroy the professional music industry, I offer this consideration:
The professionalization of music is actually a relatively new phenomenon. Although we all know the names of a few composers who were patronized by aristocrats in the 15th-19th centuries and were therefore able to make their living entirely by composing, they were in the extreme minority compared to the overwhelming mass of unrecognized amateur composers and musicians who essentially created the concept of Western music. To insist that the destruction of the “industry” surrounding music in the United States would degrade the overall quality of the music available to us to to fail to recognize that this professionalization hasn’t actually improved it. In fact, the need to market a piece of music to a larger and larger audience requires writing for a “lowest common denominator”, which ultimately leads to (or has led to) the death of subtlety and nuance in music. I say this as a fan and consumer of modern music, not as an elitist who prefers “classical” music to rock, pop, or anything else. Sony doesn’t create music on their own, and people with real music in them asking to be shared with others won’t stop making it because the million dollar royalty checks stop (or never start) coming. Just my opinion.

Being somewhat an insider on the music industry, I have to implore everyone not to take thier frustration out on bands who don’t specifically say they support this. Alot of the bands on these major labels don’t have a choice in the matter. You could argue that they shouldn’t sign with a major label in the first place, but they want to make a living.

I buy cds nowadays, so I can go home and rip it at a higher bit rate, so that way its clearer and sounds are more. And also cause the sound system on my PC kicks royale. Thanks record lables for messing with my love of music. Now they are just gonna promote P2P and Bit Torrent even more, cause of the escapade.

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Wow… I haven’t bought a real CD in months.. I discovered the iTunes Music Store (and yes, I own an iPod.. but I can still play the files on everything else.. they just need a little, push in the right direction)

9.99 for the entire CD… not bad.. esp. when i can get the same CD that won’t play in all of my devices (my 15 PowerBook, G5 tower, personal CD player i think still works, DVD player… even my Car CD player won’t play them..)

I guess they just don’t want our money anymore. I’ll go spend it on blank CD’s to burn my music on..

You do know that SONY are Refunding all cd’s right with this copy protection right?
Choose either:
1) Money back + one downloadable album
2) Three downloadable albums

get with the times………

Okay, this is how I see it. If the music company’s sold thier songs for 25 cents a song…who wouldn’t buy?!
The problem I have is i am NOT going to spend a buck a song. PERIOD. Call me cheap call me whatever you like. Why the hell would I pay a buck a song for something I can download for free and take my chances on the quality of the rip.
If the moronic music companies would start up thier “napsters” for 25 cents a song for example. And the old napster had at least 1 million people on at any one time. Lets do the math for 15 min of a napster download shall we……250,000 thousand dollars every 15 min of the day. But they are too farking greedy for even that sum. they want more.
The music companies don’t farking get the whole picture. They can with a successful ONLINE business, cut so many costs, I could not mention them all..but let me try. First, production of cd’s. the cost of blank Cd’s. The labour that costs the record company for shipping Cd’s there and back to the cd manufacturing plants. The hydro on those plants. the tax’s from those plants. The ink for the Cd’s. etc etc etc. God…are they just farking stupid or what??!!
When they buy huge server farms they are thiers for life. So basically a setup that has very few workers *admins (see, cheaper than employing THOUSANDS to keep the cd industry going) to keep a “online” trading company going. I could go on and on how many MILLIONS/100′s of Millions of dollars they could save by going “online”.
But because they are greedy bastards, which don’t think P2P will/would ever catch on (hehe righhhht) . They are just so stubborn to adapt. *as well as they are stupid farks that don’t understand the savings, technology would save them.

Who wouldn’t pay 25 cents a song for a perfect MP3 rip which would be easy to access, easy to find (if any of you used napster in the old days you know how easy it was to find ANY brand of music) and which could be bought 24 hours a day 7 days a week including holidays!

I have a 128 meg mp3 player. Let’s say I’m going on a trip and im downloading 192kbs (cd quality 5 meg a song files) for the trip. For $5.50 I could populate my mp3 player quickly and be good to go at 25 cents a song, which is mine, could be swapped to other media and burned. Who wouldn’t pay that pitance for that service. yet being online would give the record companies more money than they are making now. And would basically cap pirating. Will never get rid of it, but if you make your service easier and better, people are Inherently lazy, so will migrate to which is easiest, but price is/will always a factor. So make it cheap that cost isn’t a factor, yet enough to make a profit by selling to the masses.

So in summary…fark em, until they get smarter.

Well said… the music industry as it stands is a joke.. I can’t think of an musician.. (not artist I think that is a term too often used) that has come out in the past few years that has been worth shelling out the 20 bucks to get their cd… maybe one or two catchy songs that take my fancy and the rest crap.. not to mention the lip syncing .. I am sorry but these hubba bubba pop bands and even hiphop entertainers lip sync at “live shows” .. that I would pay 50+ dollars for?.. muisic is a product now .. not art..

They are a face.. an image..the latest must have item!…. the music industry has lost pretty much all substance and they expect people to pay for it?.. give me something worth buying and I will buy it.

Agreed, I’m through with the recording business and there degrading “anti-piracy” policies and measures.

I buy cds nowadays, so I can go home and rip it at a higher bit rate, so that way its clearer and sounds are more. And also cause the sound system on my PC kicks royale. Thanks record lables for messing with my love of music. Now they are just gonna promote P2P and Bit Torrent even more, cause of the escapade.

[...] Fast and Loud has an interesting article about the fact that record companies really do not want the consumers money anymore. [...]

Well said… the music industry as it stands is a joke.. I can’t think of an musician.. (not artist I think that is a term too often used) that has come out in the past few years that has been worth shelling out the 20 bucks to get their cd… maybe one or two catchy songs that take my fancy and the rest crap.. not to mention the lip syncing .. I am sorry but these hubba bubba pop bands and even hiphop entertainers lip sync at “live shows” .. that I would pay 50+ dollars for?.. muisic is a product now .. not art..

They are a face.. an image..the latest must have item!…. the music industry has lost pretty much all substance and they expect people to pay for it?.. give me something worth buying and I will buy it.

I can’t believe they are allowed to make cd ‘protected’ disks that contain malware. Some people are gonna get pissed and sue their asses off.

The reason CD and DVD piracy is so successful;

-CDs and DVDs are expensive. Think about it, £15 for a CD and £20 for a DVD… I totally agree that the record labels are losing out here, not the bands themselves.

We have online stores todownload legal MP3 in Australia now. They want $16.00 AUD for an album. Absolute rip off. But as Australia has legal parallel importing (you can buy albums from other countries and import them (record companies wanted this banned but)) you can go to places like mp3search.ru (legal russian site) and download an album for $1.30 AUD.
DO-NOT support rip-offs as has been served up like it has.

I can’t believe they are allowed to make cd ‘protected’ disks that contain malware. Some people are gonna get pissed and sue their asses off.

The reason CD and DVD piracy is so successful;

-CDs and DVDs are expensive. Think about it, £15 for a CD and £20 for a DVD… I totally agree that the record labels are losing out here, not the bands themselves.

its not with more and more “control” that they will come to gain back consumers …but buy lowering the price until the consumer would rather buy then not!…

Look, put the CD in a CD Player run the output jack to the sound card and record the music onto the hard drive. It has to sound good at the earphones and the speakers, thats the point so that is the point to record it from….without the crap they want to put on the computer.

Straight to the point: I’ve bought music CDs just like these that won’t play for the reasons above… they were returned for full refund. They want us to pay for music we can’t listen to?!

Like the blogger here, I too spent my first hard earned money on music. I had scarcely finished cutting the neighbors yard before I ran out, unshowered, and grabbed up Bob Seger’s ‘Stranger In Town.’ Prior to that, most of my allowance money went to albums. By the time I hit college I had over 300 albums, almost as many cassettes and an embarassingly large collection of 8-Tracks. Often owning the same record in all 3 formats! Most of those albums I eventually purchased in CD format as well. But it’s no longer music that’s being sold – it’s software. And I am one very particular software buyer. One: I buy nothing that I don’t have total control over. If software places an icon in my system tray and I cannot remove that icon – then I uninstall it and return the software. (Yes, you really can do that if you know what you’re doing.) Two: Don’t try to hide anything from me. After every install I check my services and keep close tabs on what the software does. Three: Don’t lie to me: don’t tell me you’re one thing when you’re really something else. And that’s what the recording industry is doing – they are lying. They tell you that you are buying music, but don’t reveal it as viral-ware until after the sale AND installation. Simply, put – it’s no longer music that is being sold – it’s lies and viruses.

We have online stores todownload legal MP3 in Australia now. They want $16.00 AUD for an album. Absolute rip off. But as Australia has legal parallel importing (you can buy albums from other countries and import them (record companies wanted this banned but)) you can go to places like mp3search.ru (legal russian site) and download an album for $1.30 AUD.
DO-NOT support rip-offs as has been served up like it has.

its not with more and more “control” that they will come to gain back consumers …but buy lowering the price until the consumer would rather buy then not!…

radiohead????

Look, put the CD in a CD Player run the output jack to the sound card and record the music onto the hard drive. It has to sound good at the earphones and the speakers, thats the point so that is the point to record it from….without the crap they want to put on the computer.

Straight to the point: I’ve bought music CDs just like these that won’t play for the reasons above… they were returned for full refund. They want us to pay for music we can’t listen to?!

The music industry should consider “going with the grain” for once, embrace human nature, and construct a business model around it. In other words, make it even easier for us to get music onto our iPods and PCs… and because we’re in a capitalistic nation, find a way to charge for that ease—reasonably.

Personally, I’m all over iTunes.

Like the blogger here, I too spent my first hard earned money on music. I had scarcely finished cutting the neighbors yard before I ran out, unshowered, and grabbed up Bob Seger’s ‘Stranger In Town.’ Prior to that, most of my allowance money went to albums. By the time I hit college I had over 300 albums, almost as many cassettes and an embarassingly large collection of 8-Tracks. Often owning the same record in all 3 formats! Most of those albums I eventually purchased in CD format as well. But it’s no longer music that’s being sold – it’s software. And I am one very particular software buyer. One: I buy nothing that I don’t have total control over. If software places an icon in my system tray and I cannot remove that icon – then I uninstall it and return the software. (Yes, you really can do that if you know what you’re doing.) Two: Don’t try to hide anything from me. After every install I check my services and keep close tabs on what the software does. Three: Don’t lie to me: don’t tell me you’re one thing when you’re really something else. And that’s what the recording industry is doing – they are lying. They tell you that you are buying music, but don’t reveal it as viral-ware until after the sale AND installation. Simply, put – it’s no longer music that is being sold – it’s lies and viruses.

A quote comes to mind, “When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns”

i love my fast internet connection and my 500gigs of harddrive space ,

plus the dvd-r to back up all the overflow songs ,

if you dont buy the cds you dont have to worry what kind of crap sony will put on it ;O)

I’m so glad Sony did what they did. They have provided us with a good defense in court when we get hauled in for downloading stuff that others made available to us for free.

Attention RIAA, you better change your biz model fast…. your gonna lose this one.

Offer more concerts & cheaper, ad driven televised events, promote the merchandise more etc.etc.. because like millions of others I’m not paying for music again, ever. I quit buying music when cd’s hit 10 bucks years ago anyway. Your cash cow is dying & it makes me very happy :)

If I was an excutive at RIAA I would have adapted to mp3′s weeks after it became apparent it was going to be a popular format.

You blew it, pack your sh*t and go already….

Information wants to be free….

It’s pretty simple music industry…. it costs you pennies to print cd’s …

At $2.99 cd’s in mp3 format just might fly off the shelves again & you will still be rich aholes…

You might even get kids to fork over their lunch money on a daily basis to you again….

idiots…

radiohead????

No wonder ppl want to stop buying music anymore.

The music industry should consider “going with the grain” for once, embrace human nature, and construct a business model around it. In other words, make it even easier for us to get music onto our iPods and PCs… and because we’re in a capitalistic nation, find a way to charge for that ease—reasonably.

Personally, I’m all over iTunes.

A quote comes to mind, “When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns”

Here’s a good question for the RIAA: In the war they’ve waged against ‘casual’ piracy, do they think they are winning? Do they think the implementation of software that can do as much damage as adware and spyware will change the tides in their favour? Because I’ve seen many a consumer turn pirate thanks to DRM, but no pirates turn away from BitTorrent/LimeWire.

And btw,

“DRM? Jesus, I would go to jail if I put a rootkit on your PC, guess what happens to corporations?”

Citizen663, this is one of the most intelligent and concisely profound things I’ve ever read on the subject. Mind if I quote you in a forum sig?

i love my fast internet connection and my 500gigs of harddrive space ,

plus the dvd-r to back up all the overflow songs ,

if you dont buy the cds you dont have to worry what kind of crap sony will put on it ;O)

Anybody with a soundcard on their pc that supports a line in, and has decent audio recording software can easily duplicate any cd or any other audio source. The Industry is fighting a lost cause.

I’m so glad Sony did what they did. They have provided us with a good defense in court when we get hauled in for downloading stuff that others made available to us for free.

Attention RIAA, you better change your biz model fast…. your gonna lose this one.

Offer more concerts & cheaper, ad driven televised events, promote the merchandise more etc.etc.. because like millions of others I’m not paying for music again, ever. I quit buying music when cd’s hit 10 bucks years ago anyway. Your cash cow is dying & it makes me very happy :)

If I was an excutive at RIAA I would have adapted to mp3′s weeks after it became apparent it was going to be a popular format.

You blew it, pack your sh*t and go already….

Information wants to be free….

It’s pretty simple music industry…. it costs you pennies to print cd’s …

At $2.99 cd’s in mp3 format just might fly off the shelves again & you will still be rich aholes…

You might even get kids to fork over their lunch money on a daily basis to you again….

idiots…

No wonder ppl want to stop buying music anymore.

I may not be aware of all the facts on this matter, but I am fairly certain that the binding force behind RIAA is pure, nature-instilled, capitalism-nurtured greed.

Their are a couple of things I’m not certain of, so I’ll ask.
1)What is the profit ratio of artist/recording label/other guys?
2)What is the ratio between pirate/actual buyer?
3)If the RAII is a corporation, and corporations can and are represented as a “Legel entity” (as in – like a person); then why there so many complaints on this web-site and so few class-action lawsuits against RIAA for criminal misconduct, espionage and/or generally psycopathic behavior?
4)Did William Shakespeare predict the future and RIAA in The Merchant of Venice with the quote “The man that hath no music in himself, Nor is not mov’d with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.”?(V, i, 83-85)

The music companies continue to pursue a “red sea” strategy. A red sea strategy is one where existing competitors continue to pursue a shrinking market, resulting in the competitors eating each other up, resulting in blood in the water and a “red sea”. An opposing “blue sea” strategy takes the same situation, utilizes innovative thinking and creates a new, unchallenged market. In this case Apple’s I-Tunes, IPOD approach represents a blue sea strategy. They have embraced technology, as opposed to fighting it. They have attempted to meet consuer’s needs as opposed to attaching their audience.

These record company folks simply have their heads in the sands…their days are numbered. As are the days of Supergroups…more and more bands are completely bypassing record companies. An independent artist can sell 10,000 copies of a record and make more money than selling 500,000 on a major label. In the music world, technology and the internet have truly democratized the process, taking power away from a select group of gatekeepers and putting it in the hands of the performers and the audience.

Amen.

I hope the music industry goes under. Wes’s chain of events dont sound too bad to me, hell half the music nowadays isnt any good anyways. I like the idea of giving out free songs, but record companies keeping more off concerts and stuff.

The basic problem the companies don’t understand is: The one who buys the CD isn’t the one who gets it from a P2P network! The one who got it from a P2P network, doesn’t have the trouble with all the protection trash-tools, nor he sees the anti piracy flyer and mostly he got the album two wekks befor you can buy it in a store! So stop criminalising all those who aren’t criminal. They have to understand, they shoot at their friends not at their enemys, but a beaten friend can get an enemy really fast!

Here’s a good question for the RIAA: In the war they’ve waged against ‘casual’ piracy, do they think they are winning? Do they think the implementation of software that can do as much damage as adware and spyware will change the tides in their favour? Because I’ve seen many a consumer turn pirate thanks to DRM, but no pirates turn away from BitTorrent/LimeWire.

And btw,

“DRM? Jesus, I would go to jail if I put a rootkit on your PC, guess what happens to corporations?”

Citizen663, this is one of the most intelligent and concisely profound things I’ve ever read on the subject. Mind if I quote you in a forum sig?

Anybody with a soundcard on their pc that supports a line in, and has decent audio recording software can easily duplicate any cd or any other audio source. The Industry is fighting a lost cause.

I may not be aware of all the facts on this matter, but I am fairly certain that the binding force behind RIAA is pure, nature-instilled, capitalism-nurtured greed.

Their are a couple of things I’m not certain of, so I’ll ask.
1)What is the profit ratio of artist/recording label/other guys?
2)What is the ratio between pirate/actual buyer?
3)If the RAII is a corporation, and corporations can and are represented as a “Legel entity” (as in – like a person); then why there so many complaints on this web-site and so few class-action lawsuits against RIAA for criminal misconduct, espionage and/or generally psycopathic behavior?
4)Did William Shakespeare predict the future and RIAA in The Merchant of Venice with the quote “The man that hath no music in himself, Nor is not mov’d with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.”?(V, i, 83-85)

The music companies continue to pursue a “red sea” strategy. A red sea strategy is one where existing competitors continue to pursue a shrinking market, resulting in the competitors eating each other up, resulting in blood in the water and a “red sea”. An opposing “blue sea” strategy takes the same situation, utilizes innovative thinking and creates a new, unchallenged market. In this case Apple’s I-Tunes, IPOD approach represents a blue sea strategy. They have embraced technology, as opposed to fighting it. They have attempted to meet consuer’s needs as opposed to attaching their audience.

These record company folks simply have their heads in the sands…their days are numbered. As are the days of Supergroups…more and more bands are completely bypassing record companies. An independent artist can sell 10,000 copies of a record and make more money than selling 500,000 on a major label. In the music world, technology and the internet have truly democratized the process, taking power away from a select group of gatekeepers and putting it in the hands of the performers and the audience.

Amen.

I hope the music industry goes under. Wes’s chain of events dont sound too bad to me, hell half the music nowadays isnt any good anyways. I like the idea of giving out free songs, but record companies keeping more off concerts and stuff.

The basic problem the companies don’t understand is: The one who buys the CD isn’t the one who gets it from a P2P network! The one who got it from a P2P network, doesn’t have the trouble with all the protection trash-tools, nor he sees the anti piracy flyer and mostly he got the album two wekks befor you can buy it in a store! So stop criminalising all those who aren’t criminal. They have to understand, they shoot at their friends not at their enemys, but a beaten friend can get an enemy really fast!

I’d like to point out the irony in a Sony brand pressed disc that won’t play in a Sony brand cd/mp3player.

Comprehensive list of the CDs is commendable. It’s important to note that a lot of these CDs can be found without the protection. Many are re-pressed by SONY for the BMG garbage… just flip through the CDs in the store, you should be able to find a copy that isn’t BMG. And if you can’t, there’s always legal/illegal ways of garnering your music. Always flip through the rack of CDs, though — don’t just grab the one on top.

One thing i have to say in this article it says this and i quote “The Coldplay CD X&Y has a sneaky little insert (that can’t be seen until after the purchase)” might i add that when you buy the cd you are entering into a contract and as the buyer is not drawn to the attention of “these rules” layed out as stated then the buyer does not have to follow them as he has entered a contract by buying the cd without the knowledge of these “rules” therefore when opening the cd and finding these constraints they are not liable because its like adding terms to a contract that has already been signed which cannot be done.

So there you have it you bought the cd entered a contract in which other terms cannot be added without entering another seperate contract which you have not. So all the terms stated are useless and the owner of the cd would win in court as this is an obvious law.

so continue burning cd’s my friends!!! and turning them into mp3′s

Visionary Says:
Stop illegally infringing and support musicians copyrights as protected by U.S. Constitution, or go join the Taliban who want to overthrow the constiitution and eradicate music.

Or better yet, join Sony! Grow up. Oh! And enjoy the rootkit that gives hackers easy access to your PC (Thanks Sony!)

[...] fastandloud.com » Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers. Newest copy protected CDs: no MP3s, no Macs, some PCs, some CD/DVD players, some car stereos I’m with this guy. I will be very careful what I purchase and put on my computer from here-on-out. And as for coldplay…sorry, you just lost a fan. (tags: music DRM) [...]

I’d like to point out the irony in a Sony brand pressed disc that won’t play in a Sony brand cd/mp3player.

Comprehensive list of the CDs is commendable. It’s important to note that a lot of these CDs can be found without the protection. Many are re-pressed by SONY for the BMG garbage… just flip through the CDs in the store, you should be able to find a copy that isn’t BMG. And if you can’t, there’s always legal/illegal ways of garnering your music. Always flip through the rack of CDs, though — don’t just grab the one on top.

One thing i have to say in this article it says this and i quote “The Coldplay CD X&Y has a sneaky little insert (that can’t be seen until after the purchase)” might i add that when you buy the cd you are entering into a contract and as the buyer is not drawn to the attention of “these rules” layed out as stated then the buyer does not have to follow them as he has entered a contract by buying the cd without the knowledge of these “rules” therefore when opening the cd and finding these constraints they are not liable because its like adding terms to a contract that has already been signed which cannot be done.

So there you have it you bought the cd entered a contract in which other terms cannot be added without entering another seperate contract which you have not. So all the terms stated are useless and the owner of the cd would win in court as this is an obvious law.

so continue burning cd’s my friends!!! and turning them into mp3′s

Visionary Says:
Stop illegally infringing and support musicians copyrights as protected by U.S. Constitution, or go join the Taliban who want to overthrow the constiitution and eradicate music.

Or better yet, join Sony! Grow up. Oh! And enjoy the rootkit that gives hackers easy access to your PC (Thanks Sony!)

Be aware. The profit ratio/margin comparing how much money the artist receives from each CD sold to how much money the record label receives, is frighteningly wide. Artists get only pennies ( that is less than a dollar, and almost always less than a quarter of a dollar) for each CD sold, while the rest goes to the retailer and the record label. So, we are looking at it like this.

a CD sold for $16.99 get’s split up into essentially three pieces. About 20 cents goes to the musician, maybe $4 goes to the retailer (far less than the standard 40% markup expcted from wholesale to retail), which leaves $12.79 to the record label. REMEMBER! The artist already got their cut. The numbers all vary slightly, but you get the gist. It is also worth noting that some musicians get caught with their pants down in early contract negotiations, and get NOTHING from individual CD/Record sales. Most of the money made by musicians comes from live performances, promotional appearances, sales bonuses, and occasionally promotional material like t-shirts and posters and the like.

Pirating music is not going to bring down the constitution and the US of A (or the rest of the world). It was not until the mid to late 1990′s that ASCAP and BMI (the two companies that collect royalty fees from those that play professionally produced music in commercial settings) got on the ball to start enforcing the collection of royalty fees from Juke Box companies, and retail outlets that play CDs for their customer’s enjoyment. I am talking about commercial companies playing music over their speakers, or renting juke boxes to pizza parlors and bars, that were required to pay royalty fees for all the music they used, and did not. GET THIS! The rule currently stands that if a retail store has no more than THREE speakers used to push music to it’s shopping customers, they do not have to pay either ASCAP or BMI. My Point? If it was all about making sure the musicians were getting paid, this would not be part of the model.

Note… I’ve not commented on my own stance, or rather, what my music library consists of. But I’ll say this. Most are very aware of Columbia House, right? How they have been kicking around for years and yeas, long before the internet and such… well, they give you a pile of CD’s for a penny of you agree to buy a few more at their prices. Then you can quit the club. And rejoin. Aet a pile more for a penny, and yadda yadda yadda. Well? Why are they in business? How has RIAA not shut them down? I mean, here are full Albums and CD’s being given away to the consumer… much in the spirit of a free download. SO again, no matter what anyone claims, it is NOT about getting the money to the musicians.

You can always record your favorite music free off the radio (AM, FM, or XM). As suggested, you can plug the speaker out on your player, into the line in of your soundcard. You can buy it used from a second hand music store. CD Copy protection is not about protection. It is about Control. The computer game industry has fought back by launching their game titles into the price stratosphere, where the newer games will cost you $40 or $50 or more per title. All of this fuss over copy-protecting music CD’s is only going to hurt those who purchase music legally as prices continue to soar. It is also going to force more and more people to turn to alternative methods of geting their music.

Does the RIAA believe they should shut down the perfectly legal business of manufacturing and selling portable music players (I’m talking data storage, not CD based)? If you can’t buy a CD and rip it to your portable, what good is the portable? But more curiously, what does Sony expect will happen when one of their Copy Protected CD’s either won’t work on their own computer equipment that they manufacture, or screws it up completely with a rootkit? Seems like they are not even bothering to pay attention to what their business model does to their.. uh.. business model.

Be aware. The profit ratio/margin comparing how much money the artist receives from each CD sold to how much money the record label receives, is frighteningly wide. Artists get only pennies ( that is less than a dollar, and almost always less than a quarter of a dollar) for each CD sold, while the rest goes to the retailer and the record label. So, we are looking at it like this.

a CD sold for $16.99 get’s split up into essentially three pieces. About 20 cents goes to the musician, maybe $4 goes to the retailer (far less than the standard 40% markup expcted from wholesale to retail), which leaves $12.79 to the record label. REMEMBER! The artist already got their cut. The numbers all vary slightly, but you get the gist. It is also worth noting that some musicians get caught with their pants down in early contract negotiations, and get NOTHING from individual CD/Record sales. Most of the money made by musicians comes from live performances, promotional appearances, sales bonuses, and occasionally promotional material like t-shirts and posters and the like.

Pirating music is not going to bring down the constitution and the US of A (or the rest of the world). It was not until the mid to late 1990′s that ASCAP and BMI (the two companies that collect royalty fees from those that play professionally produced music in commercial settings) got on the ball to start enforcing the collection of royalty fees from Juke Box companies, and retail outlets that play CDs for their customer’s enjoyment. I am talking about commercial companies playing music over their speakers, or renting juke boxes to pizza parlors and bars, that were required to pay royalty fees for all the music they used, and did not. GET THIS! The rule currently stands that if a retail store has no more than THREE speakers used to push music to it’s shopping customers, they do not have to pay either ASCAP or BMI. My Point? If it was all about making sure the musicians were getting paid, this would not be part of the model.

Note… I’ve not commented on my own stance, or rather, what my music library consists of. But I’ll say this. Most are very aware of Columbia House, right? How they have been kicking around for years and yeas, long before the internet and such… well, they give you a pile of CD’s for a penny of you agree to buy a few more at their prices. Then you can quit the club. And rejoin. Aet a pile more for a penny, and yadda yadda yadda. Well? Why are they in business? How has RIAA not shut them down? I mean, here are full Albums and CD’s being given away to the consumer… much in the spirit of a free download. SO again, no matter what anyone claims, it is NOT about getting the money to the musicians.

You can always record your favorite music free off the radio (AM, FM, or XM). As suggested, you can plug the speaker out on your player, into the line in of your soundcard. You can buy it used from a second hand music store. CD Copy protection is not about protection. It is about Control. The computer game industry has fought back by launching their game titles into the price stratosphere, where the newer games will cost you $40 or $50 or more per title. All of this fuss over copy-protecting music CD’s is only going to hurt those who purchase music legally as prices continue to soar. It is also going to force more and more people to turn to alternative methods of geting their music.

Does the RIAA believe they should shut down the perfectly legal business of manufacturing and selling portable music players (I’m talking data storage, not CD based)? If you can’t buy a CD and rip it to your portable, what good is the portable? But more curiously, what does Sony expect will happen when one of their Copy Protected CD’s either won’t work on their own computer equipment that they manufacture, or screws it up completely with a rootkit? Seems like they are not even bothering to pay attention to what their business model does to their.. uh.. business model.

The bigger problem is simply that most new music SUCKS.
At that, even the good stuff only has a few songs you may like. So why pay up to $20 for 3 or 4 songs?
And, plus the few paid mp3 sites out there, have the songs at 128kbps quality? I myself won’t listen to anything under 192, mostly 320.

I used to buy cd’s, and still own hundreds of cd’s, but these years I rip songs because they are higher quality in most cases then paid mp3 sites, and
I don’t need to buy a whole album that I don’t like to get those. And the fact all my money that I worked for, would rather goto something else, even
If I didn’t rip music, the RIAA STILL wouldn’t get my money, because i’m not going to pay that much for so little. Untill these sites start having
single mp3′s for sale, at a low cost (25 cents per song?), or monthly fee for an unlimited number, and still have high quality (192-320kbps).

The RIAA is getting rediculious. Pretty soon we won’t even be able to listen to our own music anywhere because of the poor ass copy protection. Might as well light the money on fire.

The bigger problem is simply that most new music SUCKS.
At that, even the good stuff only has a few songs you may like. So why pay up to $20 for 3 or 4 songs?
And, plus the few paid mp3 sites out there, have the songs at 128kbps quality? I myself won’t listen to anything under 192, mostly 320.

I used to buy cd’s, and still own hundreds of cd’s, but these years I rip songs because they are higher quality in most cases then paid mp3 sites, and
I don’t need to buy a whole album that I don’t like to get those. And the fact all my money that I worked for, would rather goto something else, even
If I didn’t rip music, the RIAA STILL wouldn’t get my money, because i’m not going to pay that much for so little. Untill these sites start having
single mp3′s for sale, at a low cost (25 cents per song?), or monthly fee for an unlimited number, and still have high quality (192-320kbps).

The RIAA is getting rediculious. Pretty soon we won’t even be able to listen to our own music anywhere because of the poor ass copy protection. Might as well light the money on fire.

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What happens if the music industry can no longer make money off of CDs? We switch to a new model. CDs mostly disappear. The big recording companies disappear. Musicians turn to make money from live performances (which they mostly do already). You either buy your music directly from the musician as a CD or from his or her website or you get it as a concert recording like the Deadheads do.

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What happens if the music industry can no longer make money off of CDs? We switch to a new model. CDs mostly disappear. The big recording companies disappear. Musicians turn to make money from live performances (which they mostly do already). You either buy your music directly from the musician as a CD or from his or her website or you get it as a concert recording like the Deadheads do.

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heck, I’m a writer and this still gets me up in arms. Sheesh, what’s it mean when a girl who’s almost over-cautious when it comes to copyrights doesn’t care anymore?

Call me a friekin’ commie (I’d prolly still deserve it even if it weren’t for this…) but I’ll go to some russian site where I can get high kbps music for free, and where I can discover new music simply by clicking random in a pretty powerful search bar.

and, proudly, I haven’t bought a cd in years.

heck, I’m a writer and this still gets me up in arms. Sheesh, what’s it mean when a girl who’s almost over-cautious when it comes to copyrights doesn’t care anymore?

Call me a friekin’ commie (I’d prolly still deserve it even if it weren’t for this…) but I’ll go to some russian site where I can get high kbps music for free, and where I can discover new music simply by clicking random in a pretty powerful search bar.

and, proudly, I haven’t bought a cd in years.

i’m a musician myself, and my band grew up during the napster revolution, we put EVERYTHING we make out for free on our website (sorry no links, i’m not trying to sell our music). We do this because I feel that putting a monitairy value on a song, deprives it from its artistic value.
to explain further… a good friend of mine when he was 14 orso, used to listen to everything on the “top 10″ on radio tv etc… he didn’t have a musical style of his own, nor he went to search for something more alternate to listen. when napster came, he started downling songs, first the popular ones…but later on he started discovering new groups, bands, musicians, he never heard of but really liked! nowadays, this guy spends a big part of his day checking for amazing songs of people who you and me never heard of AND THATS THE POWER OF DOWNLOADING MUSIC…we can destroy all the fake, so called “artists” by downloading, and make real musicians popular by downloading.
It is a cultural revolution, and I swear I will stop everyone who tries to stop the best thing that ever happend to music since…well..EVER!

I have hundreds of CDs, and I recognize some from the list above. Since the RIAA has ruined Internet radio and other music sources (now several years ago), I have bought very few CDs – probably less than a dozen. I know others that are doing the same – looking for good, free, even exciting music on the web legally available for listening and downloading. And they wonder why sales are down – duh!!

I have hundreds of CDs, and I recognize some from the list above. Since the RIAA has ruined Internet radio and other music sources (now several years ago), I have bought very few CDs – probably less than a dozen. I know others that are doing the same – looking for good, free, even exciting music on the web legally available for listening and downloading. And they wonder why sales are down – duh!!

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[...] http://www.fastandloud.com/music/re…me-car-stereos/ As if suing their own customers wasn’t bad enough, now this. Record companies are fighting a losing battle, and they’re pullin’ everything they got to try and save their asses. [...]

[...] Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers. I am a consumer of music. Always have been. But record labels don?t want my money anymore. http://www.fastandloud.com/music/re…me-car-stereos/ fff [...]

[...] It’s time for them to embrace the future. Seriously.click here for the story [...]

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Hi,

Copy righting is fine!

Hi,

Copy righting is fine!

[...] It’s been on Digg, it’s been on bOING bOING, but the information needs to be free to travel all around the Net: Coldplay hates its fans. Huh, says you? Check out the "present" they — or perhaps it was their publisher, Virgin? — put in the CD case for X&Y. It’s a long notice with a nasty, condescending tone, but I’ll give you the basics: no ripping the music to your hard drive [...]

I can also confirm that A Perfect Circle – Thirteenth Step isn’t copy protected. If it is, it’s the worst system in history. I copied it just fine. In fact, many, many times.

Maybe I just got an old copy? Doubtful though.

You can add Alfie – Crying At Teatime to your shit-list.

Used to buy CDs most weeks, now I just download as I have bought too many CDs I was unable to play in the car or on my new stereo.

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Where do these so-called HipHop/Rap ‘artists’ get off demanding their work be protected when MOST of their damn tunes are sampled from other people’s music??? They’ve got no right to be demanding ANY damned digital rights! Screw ‘em!!! I won’t be lining the pockets of major corps. They can all get f*cked! MP3 for me!

Insult the man for voicing an opinion and your the one who needs to grow up. All I can really say is Thanks for giving me something to read, im bored. As fer these pricks who want to insult you, Screw em, they are probally pompous arroagant self righteous inconsiderate pricks anyway. Burn em at the Stake, I would.

Much to my regret, I will no longer be buying CDs of Maroon 5. Their Live CD, Friday the 13th, can not be converted into mp3s…..to play on my Sony MP3 player. So sad that I can’t listen to my favorite band play what is likely their best CD on my mp3 player that I take everywhere. All of a sudden, Samsung and Toshiba are becoming much more attractive electronics companies….

[...] fastandloud.com >> Record labels continue to sucker punch mucis consumers. [...]

Can you teach me how, please?

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Well, I can not only agree 100% but I can testify that this whole system of copy right, protected music is about to completely ruin the music bussiness all together. I recently bought a new laptop, after my old one just wasn’t operating prper;y, excited about the new COOL looking device bought to mainly listen to and record MUSIC, I hooked up my external hard drive where I saved for safe keeping the tracks and albums bought and paid for by me on MUSICMATCH and guess what…that’s right….can’t play them, can’t play them on any audio software on my new system, seems there must be a nicely hidden program that tells the server as well as the system that HEY, we don’t know this guy he must be steeling our music, BS….100% I bought and paid for every single song I have and now well…they are worthless. Tell me what to do tro have my music back, I’ll tell you that I am about to file a formal complaint yet hey what the hell that will make me feel like I did something but in the end I won’t even get an email over the thing, I’ll just be out as you said thousands of dollars in audio related activities…..Nice JOB, MUSICMATCH>>>and all the others out there that think we are all theives…well we aren’t. It is you that stole my right s from me, thanks may I have another…..

GL from SC (New Orleans, born) (Cajun)

[...] Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers. Newest copy protected CDs: no MP3s, no Macs, some PCs, some CD/DVD players, some car stereos posted by seti at 2006-01-02 19:43 [...]

[...] anyway, whether you sell it with or without DRM. Take a look at a list of copy protected albums here and see for yourself. I’d like to think that people would rather be more inclined to buy music if [...]

If the record companies would quit signing boring ass renditions of the same thing then maybe they would have something to protect. Then they would be forced to figure a way to protect it but untill thw day comes were some inovative artists enter again into the music scene then they are worth the digital space we are using to write on.

[...] Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers. Newest copy file sharing, perfect audio copies, and cheap hard that enables peer-to-peer connections between music players some inovative artists enter again into the music scene then they are worth the digital [...]

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I managed several record stores for 15 years and I agree with everything in this story. What I don’t get about copy protecting Cds sold at retail is that they (labels) are screwing the wrong person, the customer that IS paying for the music. Copy protection does not affect the millions of people downloading the music for free. Record labels are completly out of touch with comsumers and have at every chance, gone in the wrong direction. Now the music industry is endangered and I believe it will never recover. What a shame.

I just bought Mary J Blige cd Growing Pains only to find it is copy protected and I can not load onto my ipod. I am not a technical person so to have to try any way to get around it – is a pain in the a**. I pay for the music and can not listen to it. I did go back to the store and they were great about it and completely refunded me in full. What totally irks me further is that these artists sell on sites such as itunes but create cds with labels that won’t allow for their cds to be copied so you can load to the ipod?? It doesn’t make sense to me!! I am going to keep buying cds, but I will not hesitate to take them back if protected. I don’t want to have to screw around with loading it. If they don’t want my business, they definately won’t get it.

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[...] Record labels continue to sucker punch music consumers. Newest copy … Snap! vs Motivo, [...]

Gotta love Sony. Aren’t they the guys that make ripping hardware? One hand in your pocket and the other a reach-around.

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Record labels are a dime a dozen. I won`t even deal with record labels because they`re also theives, just like the person ripping it from the net. I have a full CD of songs that I want to release, but who is going to buy it? Nobody, they will all down load it. Beatport plus your own label is the only way for me.

Spare the labels…. completely… avoid the labels and buy direct from the artist. Without revenues, they WILL fold.

Great list!

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